Don't know much about him. I got a pass and went to see dem sometimes, and dey was both treated mighty fine. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin, and Mr. Jim Sutton and Mr. Blackburn that lived around close to us and dey all had slaves. Two year old when my mamma died so I remember nothing of her, and most of my sisters and brothers dead too. His favorite son, Joseph, may have worked as a gunsmith early in life, but it has not been documented. Many Creeks joined the Cherokee searchers. Discover the family tree of Joseph William Vann for free, and learn about their family history and their ancestry. She had belonged to Joe Hildebrand and he was kin to old Steve Hildebrand dat owned de mill on Flint Creek up in de Going Snake District. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptizing. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. Yes, my dear Lord yes. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. Mammy and pappy belong to W.P. When the war come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. A few years of her life were also quite possibly spent among Seminoles during part of that time, although her memory of the death of Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann is clearly a part of Cherokee history. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evening's and make wooden spoons out of maple. They had run out of food and were starving, too weak and disillusioned to offer effective resistance. The beautiful brick house was surrounded by kitchens, slave quarters and mills, with apple and peach orchards covering the adjacent hills. We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. Mistress say old Master and my pappy on the boat somewhere close to Louisville and the boiler bust and tear the boat up. My mother was seamstress. The preacher took his candidate into the water. Sometims just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. Chief Joseph Vann Family Tree Check All Members List, June Carter Family Tree Check All Members List. But later on I got a freedman's allotment up in dat part close to Coffeyville, and I lived in Coffeyville a while but I didn't like it in Kansas. They are one of five tribes known as the Five Civilized Tribes. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. He and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both Cherokee of mixed blood with white-European ancestry. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. woodland hills market owner; warframe norg brain without bait; firefighter class a uniform pin placement. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the hourses. Before he was killed, James Vann was a powerful chief in the Cherokee Nation and wanted Joseph to inherit the wealth that he had built instead of his wives, but Cherokee law stipulated that the home go to his wife, Peggy, while his possessions and property were to be divided among his children. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having good itme. There was music, fine music. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days and go to Fort Gibson. We told him bout de Pins coming for him and he just laughed. Then up come de man from Texas with de hounds and wid him was young Mr. Joe Vann and my uncle that belong to young Joe. Yes, Lord Yes. When the Cherokees discovered that so many of their slaves had fled, they organized a search party to pursue them. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, Rum it to the bank! He was half Cherokee with Scots father and Cherokee mother, and became a powerful and very wealthy chief in the Cherokee nation, owning a large plantation and many slaves, in addition to other holdings. The command of the Army was shared by Doublehead and Watts. John Joseph Vann B: 1730 Scotland, M: Wai-Li Princess of Cherokee - 1763,D: 1780 Tennessee, shot by son James (Chief Crazy James) John Vann. but it sunk and him and old Master died. Marster and missus never allowed chillun to meddle in the big folks business. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. Edit your search or learn more So many years had passed since slavery ended that most of the former slaves then available for interviews had been born very near the end of the slavery era. The French Revolution broke out in 1789, and its effects reverberated throughout much of Europe for many decades. Tall and slim and handsome. They wasn't very big either, but one day two Cherokees rode up and talked a long time, then young Master came to the cabin and said they were sold because mammy couldn't make them mind him. Sometimes us children would try to follow her, but she'd turn us around pretty quick and chase us back with: "Go on back to the house or the wolves get you.". We never had no church in slavery, and no schooling, and you had better not be caught wid a book in your hand even, so I never did go to church hardly any. When dat Civil War come along I was a pretty big boy and I remember it good as anybody. I had a silver dine on it, too, for a long time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. His master Daniel Nave, was Cherokee. Joseph and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both mixed-blood Cherokees. Somehow or other they all took a liking to me, all through the family. Nails cost big money and Old Master's blacksmith wouldn't make none 'ceptin a few for old Master now an den so we used wooden dowels to put things together. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. Do you know what I am going to do? He moved his family to this location and resided there two or three years, until he could establish himself in the west. De clothes wasn't no worry neither. He worked in the gold mines. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. I'm goin' give Lucy this black mare. We never had no school in slavery and it was agin' the law for anybody to even show a negro de letters and figures, so no Cherokee slave could read. I don't remember old Mistress name. The engineer's name was Jim Vann. After the explosion someone found an arm up in a tree on the bank of the river. 1) Chief Doublehead (a rival of James Vann) 2) John Foreman a) Elizabeth Foreman m. John Elliott (white) 3) James Vann a) Sally Vann m. Evan Nicholson (white) / James Lamar (white) b.1797 F)Dawnee, described by the Moravian missionaries as a poor full blood woman, who was often drunk.She had at least 2 and maybe 3 husbands: 1) James Vann I spent happy days on the Harnage plantation going squirrel hunting with the master---he was always riding, while I run along and throw rocks in the trees to scare the squirrels so's Marse John could get the aim on them; pick a little cotton and put it in somebody's hamper (basket) and run races with other colored boys to see who would get to saddle the masters horse, while the master would stand laughing by the gate to see which boy won the race. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. A Scottish trader came to Cherokee Territory in 1755, married Wai-Li and became a licensed trader-interpreter for the Queen of England. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. I had me a good blaze-faced horse for dat. We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. Dey was all wid the south, but dey was a lot of dem Pin Indians all up on de Illinois River and dey was wid de North and dey taken it out on de slave owners a lot before de War and during it too. I went to the missionary Baptist church where Marster and Missus went. He tell us for we start, what we must say and what to do. And we learned some things about religion from an old colored preacher named Tom Vann. I believe it is the same person.) All the colored folks lined up and the overseer he tell them what they must do that day. Some of these slaves served as crew members of Vann's steamboat, a namesake of his favorite race horse "Lucy Walker". Now I'se just old forgotten woman. They got over in the Creek country and stood off the Cherokee officers that went to git them, but pretty soon they give up and come home. Dey only had two families of slaves wid about twenty in all, and dey only worked about fifty acres, so we sure did work every foot of it good. Thank you for visiting chief joseph vann family tree page. Im glad the wars over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. Joseph Vann inherited the "Diamond Hill" estate from his father and from him he also inherited the ability for trading by which he increased his fortune to a fabulous size. Pretty soon all de young Cherokee menfolks all gone off to de War, and de Pins was riding round all de time, and it ain't safe to be in dat part around Webber's Falls so old Master take us all to Fort Smith where they was a lot of Confederate soldiers. My uncle belong to old Captain Joe nearly all his life. Everybody had a good time. The married folks lived in little houses and there was big long houses for all the single men. He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. He say he wanted to git de family all together agin. Some Negroes say my pappy kept hollering, "Run it to the bank! It is located at the intersection of U.S. Highway 76 and Georgia 225 in Murray County, on the outskirts of Chatsworth in northwest Georgia. My uncle used to baptize 'em. In 1837 ptior to the main Cherokee Removal, he transported a few hundred Cherokee men, women, children, slaves and horses aboard a flotilla of flat boats to Webber's Falls on the Arkansas River in Indian Territory. He jest kept him and he was a good negro after that. In Georgia, during the early 1800s, slaves owned by the Vann Family made the bricks and milled the lumber used to build the Vann House in Spring Place. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboats couldn't run. Born on February 11, 1789, he was also a planter, and businessman who owned slaves, and steamboats among others. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days to go to Fort Gibson. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. Didn't you never see one of them slidin' beds? You know just what day you have to be back too. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. The Vanns were a prolific family who reused many names, so later in life he was referred to as "Rich Joe." He was one of eight children born to his father's nine wives. There was big parties and dances. All my children was from the first marriage: Thomas, Dora, Charley, Marie, Opal, William, Arthur, Margaret, Thadral and Hubbard. My brothers was name Sone and Frank. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. and. Everybody had a good time on old Jim Vann's plantation. When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. They'd come to the door like this, "sh.." and go out quick again. Marr. Lord yes su-er. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. That meant she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. All the slaves lived in a log house. Lord, Yes! No nails in none of dem nor in de chairs and tables. Son of James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) Crazy Chief Vann and Nancy (Go-sa-du-i-sga) Timberlake Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion. 1795(Chas.Fox Taylor)(John Stidham,Sr. My mother was seamstress. That was where all the food was kept. relatives of chief james vann By jerry l. clark December 12, 2001 at 10:21:03. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky, and back. Brother of Ca-lieu-cah Mary Vann Don't know where the other one lived. 467-91. My other sisters was Polly, Ruth and Liddie. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having a good time. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. Although Lucinda Vann was owned by Jim Vann, she told about the death of "Rich Joe" Vann and the recovery of one of his arms, following the deadly explosion on his steamboat, the Lucy Walker. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. She turned the key to the commissary too. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. Yes Sa. Joseph Vann, the son of Chief James Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, was a lad of 12 when his father was killed, in 1809. In one month you have to get back. There'd be races and people would have things what they was sellin' like moccasins and beads. When father was young he would go hunting the fox with his master, and fishing in the streams for the big fish. Everything was stripedy cause Mammy like to make it fancy. In one month you have to get back. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. Jennie was born on December 23 1804, in Georgia, USA. about chief joseph vann family tree please comment if we missed anything here, please let us know. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." Vann's father, James . He come to our house and Mistress said for us Negroes to give him something to eat and we did. A doctor put it in alcohol and they kept it a long time. Then I had clean warm clothes and I had to keep them clean too! When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptized. He was descended from Robert The Bruce, King of Scotland. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. I dont know, but that was before my time. Pedigree report of John Joseph Vann, son of Edward Ned Vann Sr and Mary Lewis Barnes (Ani'-Ga'tge'wi = Kituah or Wild Potato), born in 1736 in Jonesboro, Washington Co., Tennessee. His britches was all muddy and tore where de hounds had cut him up in de legs when he clumb a tree in de bottoms. You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. Cornelius Neely Nave was a grandson of Talaka Vann, a slave owned by Joseph Vann in Webbers Falls. They tell us what was happening and what to do. Numerous others had previously gone to Oklahoma when their masters voluntarily relocated. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robert sse Vann, James Clement Jr. Vann, Mary Vann, Delila Copeland (born Vann), John Vann, John Vann, Joseph H Vann, John Vann, Mary Vann, Robe James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) (James Wahli Vann Etc. I don't know what he done after that. I slept on a sliding bed. I'se proud anyway of my Vann name. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. The Vanns later relocated to Indian Territory, present-day Oklahoma. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. 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