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I try not to view life in a binary way. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. Retrospectively however..Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family StoryThat tends to be my chosen angle of approach because for me, it is a very human story, encompassing a large scope of culture, society, rebellion against it, motivation etc. Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fast and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed act with Marvin Partwhich Tex actually did to, although failed.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex Watson. Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. At the very least, he was an accessory before the fact in that particular crime. ?Most definitely.Both were at different stages and had come through different experiences.However.there were also some similarities. That's why anything said after a leading question should be tossed in the waste binDo you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?So I'm not trying to prove Kasabian is actually lying. So you are relying on two witnesses that are diametrically opposed as to this event. Catch 22s abound.If Linda did in fact have a valid driver's license there is no reason why it would be rejected when she went to see Bobby Beausoleil. I know that "the human side" is used to denote the lean towards goodness, softness, something of redeeming value. Her mother, Joyce, remarried too; however, Linda did not get along well with her stepfather Jake Byrd, who according to her treated her mother and herself badly. To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. It is amazing to me how many people express feelings such as sympathy about people like Leslie and Linda Good, bright people in some cases?? Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. I gotta disagree with you on that one. Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. Yes, if you stop at the Grand Jury he has no case against Kasabian as it's inadmissible and/or it was all he had. When you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murder depending on when). She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. It Gets Charlie off the hookWhile getting Charlie off the hook may be paramount for "Charlie supporters" I've found piles more people who are not Charlie supporters, indeed, people who can't stand him or that think he's a shitbag and are quite happy for him to remain in or die in jail, that believe that HS is wrong.In fact, far more people think it's wrong than do, in my on line experience. At the front door, she ran into a stabbed and beaten Wojciech Frykowski. Bill Kurtis can make it sound like the best name ever. My usage of it is very much in the biblical sense. But to be fair, there are quite a few times throughout the original trial where stuff from Family members appears to be translated from Japanese into Russian into French into Balilese into English ! Anyone?Or..to paraphrase others: Life is going to knock you on your ass from time to time. Leslie Van Houten, 19, pleaded innocent to the murder of Mr. and Mrs. Leno LaBianca. AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? Let's save our sympathies only for those He deems good. Dreath saidGrim, I have to disagree with you a bitOnly a bit ? There wouldn't have been any need for any of these victims to have been murdered so mercilessly. Blacks and whites died in roughly the same proportion as percentages in the general population. document.write(''); I am quite sure that the answer to number 4 is Helter Skelter Mr. H.I an not sure that was the real reason Charlie instigated the murders -but that is the reason Linda,Tex,Katie,Leslie and Susan went and committed them.They have all been saying so for many years.We can try to figure it out ourselves. Her association with substance abusers was still the same. This comment has been removed by the author. !--CALIFORNIA got rid of the death penalty!!! Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? Why would she put herself though that if she wasn't trying as hard as she could to be honest and get herself out? I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. lol- it gets easier he had to teach me too :), St Circumstance saidBugs was never going to use Linda if Susan hadn't flipped on her decision to cooperateWell, he had no use for Linda as long as there was Susan. But, again, all good. A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. HS was something she was getting to grips with. Over time, she has been depicted by numerous actresses in different movies. Atkins did tell the Grand Jury Sharon was still roped up even though Abigail had escaped her ropes. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. But the day after the Tate murders, she went to deliver a message to Beausolei and was turned away because she didn't have proper ID. "Oh yes, Mr Pritchard has been convicted in the past of robbing banks, but he lives at home and looks after his elderly and disabled Mother and his wayward sister's troubled child..". We do not know why any of them were picked. He ignores the good objection and focuses on the compound objection. Linda took the witness stand in a series of trials and retrials. The LicenseThe license is a bit of a red herring. "Charlie entered into my headand Tanya was there and I was afraid for her life," Mrs. Kasabian said. Kind'a seems like whenever there's room to squeeze in a little speculation, that is exactly what becomes the imagined TRUTH.BTW: Dreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. Reading through the court transcripts, what is often presented in HS as a dramatic moment is actually quite tame. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. Excellent work by Dreath here. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?However, when you go on to say but to the jury back in 1969, it was. ORWHUT: Very perceptive. (click for details). Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. Thanks for contributing to the blog.That May 1969 article where Linda had her license suspended is interesting. How perfect. Who should we rely upon? Linda grew up in a broken home where her parents separated and remarried while she was still young. Now I wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America and beyond its borders.AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." I hope I do thatI think you do.This is a good piece. I think part of where our paths parallel instead of cross is training. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again Vincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's license. You say Linda had some things going for her but her Mum recognizes that she was deficient in Linda's life, paying more attention to her siblings and not really being there for Linda at that critical point when someone who is in that vital crux between adolescence and young adulthood really needs a listening, tolerant but firm and experienced, caring and guiding hand; her stepfather, as many have found with theirs, doesn't appear to have played a valuable part in her life; she saw her actual Dad twice in 15 years. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? Given that she says all this in more or less the same group of sentences {in Robert's book}, which is it ? She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. Who you are is determined by what you do when you get back up.". Mind you, what she told Marvin Part was nuclear ! St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. If one of the ones that you obviously wanted {the "reasonable" ones} had been accepted as the one, exactly the same thing could be said.How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the groupAt this point, I always like to say that being an angel is not a guaranteed beautiful thing.Satan's an angel !The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? She ran with it all the way until the penalty phase. Robert,Thank you for the clarification. There were a number of details like this that came out, even worse ones during the Watson trial. Just a thought.It brings me back to my favorite question about motive. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. Dreath saidDo I give weight to what anyone says after they were convicted: Not much. So when I started my lawsuits, I went to a Salvation Army store and with the luck of the Vikings, some guy had just donated a bunch of HIS custom made Italian suits. So if I appear to be defending her or anyone else that is generally presented as unsavoury, it's because I think there should be a balance to anyone spoken about.Even Charles Watson. Don't get me wrong I do not believe any of these crazies actually had thought processes like that. Here is just one example- Leslie and Pat on Diane Sawyer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn2zULFwB_w&list=RDXghrXEKLNhw&index=4. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . If that had been the motive, there wouldn't have been any need to stab Voytek Frykowski fifty-one times, to hit him thirteen times over the head and shoot him twice. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library card.Give the absolutely weak explanation for her being involved by the prosecutor. Both accused of being racists who will spark a race war. Linda basically went through a couple of year speed bump in the Big picture. By 1980 50% of marriages had/were ending in divorce. Sanctimonious, elitist narcissist is more like it. I guess almost all is fair in love and war. Some people just drift into any old job. document.write(''); I remember one of the things that made reading Kasabian's testimony so hard to read were the number of objections and bench conferences. People who developed life long drinking and smoking weeds habbits as 15 and 16 year old's with no steady parental influence. Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. In the most beloved profession in America we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness stand. You can correct me on that one. Now that said I happen to agree with this opinion: "The mission, ladies and gentlemen, the mission of these defendants on both nights, was murder. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED for.One intelligent Prosecutor, One competent Defense Attorney, One Judicially savy Judge and WHO really cares what a bunch of "moon rocks" THINK - it was a "robbery. I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? She did drugs with her child and basically spent her whole life making sure that her child would have the most stressful and illegal life possible. So according to you people who defend an alleged mass murderer and those who support Trump are the same "idiots". Linda on the other hand, understood it on a level but it hadn't taken a major grip on her consciousness. Early Life Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? But is like a badge of honor to people to refuse to give H.S any weight at allAnd it just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibility, when all of the actual killers themselves have repeated the validation that it was for over 40 years with the exact same stories, and memories.you can hear the shame, embarrassment, and humiliation in the voice of a sobered up- middle aged Leslie Van Houten as she tries to explain H/S and the "Hole in the Desert" to her parole boards. No one else remembers when Frykowski was shot but Tex says he did it on the porch. I'm affected by tragedies of all kinds, even some of the self inflicted ones.Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me.I can see that !But I feel it for a variety of the players in this saga. Her background should have had a greater impact. As you pointed out, different people respond so very differently to similar situations.The real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their familiesI don't know. You are all welcome. [This is very good lawyering. When her second marriage started to deteriorate, the article stated that Linda and Tanya moved back to New Hampshire to live with Joyce. In case anyone is wondering, any reports of Manson's death are at this point to be considered exaggerated. St Circumstance saidOk- Ill be devils advocate. Where does light fusion into anything with Linda?As far as I'm concerned, every human being has something about them that is positive while at the same time being a container of darkness, regardless of the degree. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. In fact, if I recall correctlyI believe she said earlier to her attorneys they went back to the ranch. 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