Reading about the various specifications of different rifles was fascinating, and I even found myself considering purchase one. I too have a GP 100 and a S&W 686 Plus. While these guns are powerful, their large size and heavy weight make them harder to conceal. It handles .357 Magnum ammunition very well, and you will feel little recoil when firing. While the .357 Magnum from a carbine does not quite match the .30-30 Win in velocity or energy, at 50 yards all of the loads mentioned in this article approach or exceed the 900 ft/lbs of energy . I also owned a 3" SP101. Then you are obligated to consider all the magnum revolvers in and out of production. For pythons now. I have heard all the bad about the old Taurus's, but they have stepped up and are making some good stuff now. In 1972, Ruger introduced the Ruger Security-Six, Service-Six, and Speed-Six Revolvers for law enforcement, civilian self-defense, and military markets. They could carry one caliber for two weapons. Personally, I feel they are more than a bit dangerous for beginners putting their fingers to far forward with the bottom round firing.. apologize for the length. I have been a .357 fan for 50 years. ), it looks just like a Colt .357 Magnum Python and it comes in 2inch and 4inch, not 6 as you stated. In this case, the .357 Magnum wins, because full power ammo pushes a 125-grain bullet 100 f.p.s. it is indeed a great lil gun for the money. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The .357 Magnum Winchester PDX1 Defender JHP with 125-grain bullets costs $1.25 per round, while the same product ( 125 grain JHP) for .357 SIG cost $1.10 per round. I was born decades too late. And a Ruger BH ss 6 1/2 brl. I know a lot of people would disagree, but of all the snub noses, 357 or 38 special I have shot, the newest Taurus 605 is the one I bought and would buy again. You can swap cylinders between .357 and 9mm, and recoil is pretty gentle thanks to the design. This gun is also quite stylish with an 8-round fluted cylinder and choice of black synthetic or wood grips. I am experienced shooter. CRAZY! Both triggers are comparable. It weighs six pounds and holds 5+1 rounds. I was in my twenties and knew nothing. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Penetration: 18.1 Another dumb comment about this dumb article. The Manurhin MR73. 30-30 Winchester; 30-06 Springfield; 308 Winchester; 50 Beowulf; 5.45x39; 7mm Remington Magnum; 7mm-08 Remington; 7.62x39; 7.62x54R; . or just newbies to the field exploring a rich resource. I own 2 S&W Mod. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. It is not in S&W or Ruger league or prestige but for basic day to day practicality on the street or bedside I'd put it up against anything, really. Hey AJ, you can find the author and bio linked at the bottom of every article. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle . Mostly it's concealed but not totally. One caveat: my .357 carbine is nicely accurate, but the point of impact varies greatly depending on the ammunition being fired. Are you serious a ruger is a work of are. The 27-2 is very nice. The first time I took it out to the range with two boxes of ammo I began to wonder where this little beauty had been all of my life, and why isn't our military still using these things.. Carbine pistol! . 6.5" barrel, stainless steel, ported to help manage recoil. My service arm was a Ruger Security 6. Bought a security 6 (4" barrell) about a year ago. I keep mine because I know it, use it, and have speed loaders that work. I have handled some Redhawks in the store: Damned heavy, but certain to survive the thumping they 'impart' to the target when you run out of ammo. Short summary: .30-30 is a rifle cartridge. I regularly carry my Windicator when in situations where deep concealment isn't a necessity (OWB under winter clothing will be fine; it'll stick out a bit in light clothing; IWB appendix carry is possible and the most concealed position available. Smith & Wessons lighter K frame Model 19 was released in 1957 developed to meet the special needs of law enforcement. Saw a similar comparison via YouTube vid back in 2014. I have two of your choices: S&W model 60 with 2.25 the trapper does not have the hoop lever. No mention of the CZ /Dan Wesson revolvers? This revolver tames the recoil with even the heaviest loads. It was the first time I ever shot a gun. I thought his.30 carbine to .357 mag. If I can't shoot itIt's a gun that needs to be shot. Sold me on the only .357 mag ammo available at the LGS at the time; 180gr Remington SJHP. It should read 977. I paid 350-400 dollars for the king cobras and only 300 for the python. When we sent the gun to S&W for examination, detonation was their determination, likely due to a light handload. so if the 357 mag holds the one shot stop record why would need to send more rounds that might miss and hit the wrong . I disagree 8 shot sounds nice, but heavy and clunky so in practicality the 686+(7 shot) is much easier to carry not to mention the difference in price, the 627 just doesnt have enough to justify the cost difference over the 686+.. most forum readers tend to agree. This is 326 foot-pounds in excess of the original .357 SIG load's muzzle energy, or a difference of 55.91% in favor of the .357 Magnum. For general target practice, shoot .38 Special ammo. I tested this actually towards the extremes. Yeah the Smitty is one fine well crafted pistol, BUT my Danny will out shoot it all day long!!! Use some practice time to shoot mid-range .357 Magnum ammo and finish with a few hot defensive rounds. You can also find some L Frame revolvers that are somewhere between the K and the N in frame size. The SP-101 isa 5-shot DA/SA .357 Magnum available in stainless steel or blued finishes. Love the way it handles. SW are fantastic guns, just never loved the short hammer pull, again, not what I was used to. .357 mag, .22lr, and the dirty-30. I have a python also bought 30 years ago at about 650.00 ( also bought a security six for about 1/3 of that if I remember right). For the .257, that number drops down to 11, and only a few companies produce the cartridge. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. Simple. Both shoot very well. This gun opts for a front blade sight and fixed rear sight. The utility of the .357 Magnum round makes it just as pleasing for experienced shooters. Yes sir totally agree. .357 is a caliberof cartridge The carbine achieved 944 fps and 313 lb-ft, a 40 percent increase in velocity and a 96 percent increase in energy. no gun is a must as its all in the opinion of the person who makes the liks. So I would imagine that back in the day youd either carry matching .44-40s or carry a .45 Colt and a more powerful single shot rifle such as .45-70. Steel is a little heavier, and better controls .357 Magnums recoil. Next to no muzzle flip at all. Rereleased in 2020, the Colt Python made its return as a 6-shot DA/SA revolver with a high-polish stainless steel finish. Love all of them. We normally include at least one high-end option, partly for perspective and partly because they are nice to look at. That comparison isnt even good enough to be called lame. Our .357 Magnum pistol: a 1980s Smith & Wesson Model 686 with a 4 barrel. 1830 fps 100 yds 1427 fps 200 yds 1138 fps 158 gr. So work of art for a operating gun not a collector that sits and never ever will it get packed ! You want J frame size 6 shots get a Kimber K6S they are excellent out of the box, You didnt even mention the model 19? The Magnums cost $1.50 per round, while the SIG costs $1.20 per round. My longest shot was approximately 123 yard shooting a souped up Hornady xtp round. I mean, if we are talking cowboy chic and rifle caliber matching ones sidearm. There are a ton of revolver models floating around the market, and most are solid. But man what a smooooth double action trigger. and then theres the marlin .444. The slopes are super steep and narrow. Too funny! Yowza. Hand-Picked Daily GUN DEALS, and Exclusive Coupons Codes >>>. We see a similar result in 125-grain Gold Dot HP from Speer. But the companys first .357 Magnum revolvers wouldnt show up until 1934. BTW, I have the SS 6-shot models in 4" and 6", and find both to be superb handling, practically indestructable revolvers. 38 S&W SPECIAL +P . If you dont own one, you should. i pair a s.bhawk with a 16 94ae in .44mag. Kinber revolvers from now on for me. So Im deciding to use CLP and an air gun in the near future to clean it. This load is equivalent to a .38 Special +P. I'm not a big fan of the grease gun beyond the novelty of it. However, I suspect the window has closed on that idea. I think the GP 100 is a better all-around gun. 06-30-2009 @ 12:56 AM Location Houston Texas Posts 189 Local Date 01-15-2023 Local Time 05:16 AM.30 Carbine vs .357 Magnum There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. Great combo with a short lever rifle for the truck. .30-30 vs .357 Magnum at The Truth About Guns. At 15 yards, hot .357 loads printed nearly 3 higher than mild .357 and .38 loads, and also slightly to the right. .30-30 is better at deer hunting. The .308 has less of a recoil, but the .30-06 has more stopping power. This further 357 Magnum . This would place it in the middle of the pack for .30-30 ballistics, at least within 100 yards, at a cost about equal to premium .30-30 ammo. Select what level shooter you are! Re: 357 vs 44 mag vs 44-40 popularity in lever guns . Manurhin and Korth are also completely unobtainable for the vast majority of people. Compare. The Remington website lists their 170-grain .30-30 at 2200 fps and 1827 lb-ft, and the shorty Trapper averaged a real-life 1986 fps and 1489 lb-ft: thats less than a 10 percent velocity penalty and an 18 percent energy penalty. Pistol caliber carbines are practical, economical to feed and just plain fun to shoot. .357 Mag ammo from brands like Hornady, Federal, and CCI. Whats next? .357 mag, .22lr, and the dirty-30. I love it because it handles all cartridges very well. Series. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Nothing more. Developed in the 1950s by Elmer Keith, the .44 Magnum improved upon the power of the .357 Magnum. The reason the .308 is shorter is because the military wanted a shorter round when they were seeking to replace the .30-06. The Trooper was a steal as someone didn't know what they had. Type your email address and well send With 125-grain handloads, the revolver averaged an even 1300 feet per second and 469 pound-feet of energy, while the carbine delivered 1937 fps and 1041 lb-ft. Thats a 49 percent velocity increase and a 122 percent increase in energy from the same cartridge. Ruger also offers a 4.2-inch model that sports a fiber optic front sight and adjustable rear sight. I've never actually seen one!! An 18 .357 will hold 9+1 rounds, compared to the 6+1 of a .30-30 of the same length. A fella can dream, though. For searching, the projectiles of .300 Win Mag Continue reading 357 Mag Vs 45 Long Colt Powerful. In self-defense, the .357 Magnum has enough power from the shock wave to stop an attacker even if not vitally hit. Just stopping a threat does not mean the gun has "proven Stopping Power" The S&W model 19 and SS version 66 was/is one of the best law enforcement sidearms of all time. Effective. That was the last thing I heard for the rest of the day. And that's with standard ammo. Want a 357 carbine but dont want to pay $800 to $900. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. They are getting harder and harder to find as most people who have one will not part with it. The extra powder space in the .357 comes from seating the bullet farther out in the case with a cannelure, not from the extra length, which adds little in the way of volume. Lets talk a little about the various frame sizes you can expect to see when shopping. In 1972, Ruger introduced the Ruger Security-Six, Service-Six, and Speed-Six Revolvers for law enforcement, civilian self-defense, and military markets. Amazingly smooth action. You have the date incorrect on the release of the Ruger GP100. I experienced that in a S&W Model 10 when teaching a new police shooter on his very first day. 1. yup both these come in 4inch 5 and 6 the 627 is better than the 686. They are incredibly accurate with 38 loads as wellalmost target level. Case in point, the Ruger GP-100, an outstanding range gun. Someone so knowledgeable in the area of ballistics should be smart enough to identify it as being beneath their level of expertise and just walk on by. I agree with the Manurhin. But I have an AR-15 in the next corner just in case. 30-06 Springfield-60,000: 38 Special-17,000: 260 Remington-60,000: 300 H & H : No PSI Std. You should check it out. . . The Williams rear aperture sight was clear and precise, but the tiny front post was a challenge to pick up and the redundant rear semi-buckhorn sight blocked another 50 percent of the target. But it's in my safe and I carry a semi auto due to available firepower with a .357 Sig - in a 226 - can't beat the ballistics Really great article. no just the 627 almost the same gun so he used that one, and i agree with that choice. I bought mine new in 1974 (I think it was in '74) and still haven't shot any that I like as well. loads. The Ruger is HD, the Kimber camping and trail. Their size also makes them easy to draw and bring to bear quickly. There While both the 357 and 44 should perform slightly better in a rifle or carbine (the numbers above are for a handgun) the 30-30 is by a wide margin the better choice for larger game. Not sure if the Python can match it for distance. I own the .357 with a 4.2" barrel and its very nice. The EAA Windicator* .38/.357 magnum from European American Armoury is an excellent choice not mentioned here.especially for those on a bit of a budget. I bought a Galco D.A.O. In similar enough meaning it definitely is a WIN though. This conclusion will undoubtedly anger many who presently hunt deer with a 357 or 44 mag, but the numbers don't lie. In all the times I have been deer hunting, I can hardly remember hearing the gun go offand that is a full power 30-06 with no ear muffs. The Manurhin MR73 is a 6-shot .357 Magnum revolver that is available in barrel lengths between 4 and 8 inches with a deep blue finish. 25 after seeing how much the value has gone up and it's not original. Jack. I LIKE THE S&W 686 AND SURPRISED YOU DID NOT MENTION IT.DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. View. Revolvers tend to recoil more, all else being equal, and the .357 Magnum is mostly a revolver cartridge. I purchased a new Kimber K6s and a new S&W 640 Pro last month. There are three revolvers types in this series Chiefs Special, original Bodyguard, and the Centennial. Colt Python is the winner without a doubt. Get the latest new and updates on products, news and events. I have a Ruger .30 Carbine pistol [6" barrel]and a S&W .357 mod 19-3, [4" barrel], Tarus .357 with a 6"barrel. But if you're looking for something to get you from A to B, Toyota, Honda, even BMW will still do that just as effectively and at a price point that is accessible. If the ball collides with them, slope io game is over. . Would also suggest discussing the intended use for the gun. It was done intentionally to prevent accidentally loading the .357 into a 38 special gun. Even the weakest .30-30 load we tested produced almost 30 percent more energy than the most impressive .357 Magnum, and even that so-called 'weak' 170-grain .30-30 bullet will retain much more of its energy much farther downrange than any flat-nosed .357 slug will. 11.5mm. Shop 357 Magnum ammo online for hunting, self defense, and target practice. The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though. me brudder gots a tc contender chambered for that. Max expansion: 0.600 However, though I saw many an ARVN soldier carrying the little M1carbine I never laid a glove on one until about two years ago when I got one on special from Fulton Armory. Winchester 1894 is a classic well enough and when I had a young mans eyes I did alright with a Williams peep on the receiver, carefully made reloads of my own in .30-30 out to 100 yards freestanding. Then, as now, everyone wanted more powerful ammo. .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Very nice overview of the .357 magnum. Considering the diverse ammunition loads available, it is easy to find one that works for you. I had heard at one point that the Python's have the most moving parts of any revolver on the market which is one reason for their feel. It is such a pleasure to shoot I have no problems dumping 200 rounds through 'er during a range session. 60. With light loads, it boosted a truly anemic .38 Special cowboy load up to +P velocities, and it gave the .38 Special +P equivalent load a 20 percent velocity increase. Yes, the 357 really comes alive out of a rifle. It is very important for every business to stay competitive It seems a little odd that the best selling revolvers in the history of the world,some of which are still being manufactured,are obsolete but 2 discontinued and very expensive used Colts are recommended. It has enough heft to tame most of the recoil, though I swapped out the wood grip. I personally have a 6" blued Python, circa 1978, that is new-in-box, never fired, and have no intention of firing it. I usually use the 4" or 6". The Model 627 also brings a large trigger and hammer and adjustable rear sight with a gold bead front sight. Colt Lawman Mark III Reliable. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Work for 2-3 hours in y0ur spare time and OO get paid 1200 0n y0ur bank acc0unt every week, Get more inf0rmation 0n f0ll0wing site .. All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. It comes factory-tuned from S&W with a few extra features like a fiber-optic front sight and an even smoother trigger. The .357 Magnum cartridge is a revolver round with a .357-inch bullet diameter. I would wholeheartedly agree that perhaps another article addressing specifically SA revolvers might help. Printing is a challenge. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared Of course this is just my opinion. I'd like to know where the S&W 586-L comp fits into this discussion. I have sold my others over the years,, many of which I would love to have kept so Ive decided to get ones I want and I dont want to sell. And thats with standard ammo. Not much else to say. With 38's it's like shooting a 22. Additionally, the .327 Magnum revolver will not only be easier to shoot faster and more accurately, but it will also hold . They are very sturdy guns, on the heavy side, which I like (I'd say "have a nice weight to them,") good (albeit very basic, and fixed) sights.I find myself just as if not more accurate with my aptly-named Windicator than any gun of it's size, and more than any standard polymer 9mm/.40cal. Retained weight: 151.3 gr Min expansion: 0.534, Impact velocity: 1,563 fps (1324 lb-ft) While the 16 Trapper is very handy, consider an 18 barrel which will give you an extra round of magazine capacity and a small ballistic increase. The development of the .357 Magnum cartridge was shepherded by some of the most brilliant minds of the era. The Kimber feels beefier, it is finished better than any gun for the money. I read your blog its really informative for me I also share this article with my friends keep it upheart touching poetry in Urduthanks for sharing. I cant remember the details off the top of my head; I packed all that stuff up for a move and havent unpacked it since. For protection I carry a S&W model 65 with a 3" barrel. *.30 Remington has entered the chat* Thats where other rounds shine. Have one in pristine condition and shoots like a dream. We quickly go over what to look for in a wheelgun and our Best .357 Magnum Revolvers across different frame sizes & budgets. sticking with the old .38/.357 combo. . 300 AAC vs 9mm AR Rifle Ballistics Comparison. The .257 Weatherby runs between $3.10 and $6.15 per round while the .25-06 can be had for between $1.42 and $3.70 per cartridge. Looking at published velocity numbers from much longer test barrels, we see that cutting a .30-30 barrel down to the legal-minimum 16.5 doesnt inflict a debilitating penalty to velocity or energy. That turns into a 9-25% advantage in favor of 7mm Rem Mag at 500 yards. 357 Magnum Rifle M.V. Pentration: 17.8 - too big to carry; and too much for me to handle. Your 92 model. The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though.
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